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Policy & Analytics Advisory Group Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
Jimi Gilroy
51:31
Please feel free to enter any text here that you would like to be read as public comment from 10-10:10 am. Thank you!
Jimi Gilroy
01:01:56
We have asked the members of the Policy & Analytics Advisory Group and the Practice & Operations Advisory Group to evaluate the tools presented in the webinars to provide their input to the Workgroup on the types of tools that should be developed in the first phase of the state data system. At our April 29, 2020 meeting, Workgroup members will be providing their agency’s viewpoint on each of the tools. We also invite the public, educators, and health and social service providers to weigh in on these possible tools by completing this survey - https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZZRHBPM (the survey will be open through April 28, 2020). In addition, each webinar, as well as all upcoming meetings, have opportunities for public comment. You can also complete our public comment form or email your comments to Jimi Gilroy at jgilroy@wested.org.
Carolyn Nealon
01:10:35
It seems that the Governor/DOF have given strong indication that early care may be transitioning between HHS & CDE, with CDE retaining State Preschool and HHS overseeing other early care,
A: Samantha Tran
01:33:56
I wanted to raise a smaller point on the EL definition. In the early learning space we often want to know if children are "dual language learners" which is defined as those living in a households where a language other than English is spoken, which is a broader set of children. It is estimated that 60% of children 0-5 are DLL, while currently in Kindergarten only about 40% of children are identified as EL, so we will need to be clear about the definitions. Right now we don't have systematic DLL information in the ECE space, but it is information that we should phase in over time.
A: Rigel Spencer Massaro, Public Advocates
01:41:44
I agree with Angela's comments.
A: Samantha Tran
01:42:15
Ditto Angela's comment as well.
Jimi Gilroy
01:42:50
You can also add applause or thumbs up in “Reactions” on menu bar if you want to have a visual agreement in Zoom.
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01:45:41
Speaking: Angela Perry, TICAS
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Speaking: Su Jin Jez
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Speaking: Patrick Perry
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
01:49:31
Wow
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01:50:01
Speaking: Evan White
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01:50:21
From the California Policy Lab
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
01:54:20
Just noticed this in the Public Query Tool text - Attendance Rate and Chronic Absenteeism. Those would be great P20W data points to include if you could get them.
Rachel Antrobus
02:29:39
Dashboard should:Focus on reaching apprentice level userEnsure site is clear, intuitive, engaging, multilingualHave a simple to complex design - click through to gain more insightsInclude a communication plan that can engage all Californians on the goals and ongoing growth of the site
Jimi Gilroy
02:35:20
Speaking: Carlise King
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02:37:47
Speaking: Angela Perry
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02:38:53
We are discussing the NCES DataLab’s tool.
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02:39:19
Speaking: Rigel Spencer Massaro
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02:40:18
Speaking: Angela Perry
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02:40:59
Speaking: Su Jin Jez
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02:42:26
Speaking: Carlise King
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Speaking: Samantha Tran
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Speaking: Evan White
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Speaking: Samantha Tran
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Speaking: Evan White
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02:51:17
Speaking: Evan White
ljasher
02:59:00
Why the need to provide permission to researchers if data are de-identified and pre-filtered for privacy issues with low Ns?
Jimi Gilroy
02:59:53
Speaking: Heather Hough
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03:00:44
I asked. We ask
Jimi Gilroy
03:01:03
Sorry about that. Speaking: Emily Putnam- Hornstein
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
03:03:12
Wow
ljasher
03:03:54
Please keep in mind that user requirements if set too high limit access for advocates and others not housed within universities to use the data. This has been an issue with CSAC and federal data sets. Thanks.
A: Samantha Tran
03:04:09
Early lunch with summary
A: Heather Hough
03:04:14
Early lunch
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
03:04:14
early lunch
byonehiro
03:04:35
It will may be cumbersome to get permissions and not everyone will be eligible. That is the tradeoff for unitary data.
A: Rigel Spencer Massaro, Public Advocates
03:04:43
early lunch w/ summary
A: Andrea Venezia
03:04:52
early lunch
A: Evan White (California Policy Lab)
03:05:33
But the helpful thing about unitary data is that they can be used to create dashboards and helpful tables/queries.
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
03:05:53
We cannot create useful dashboards without unitary data.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
03:09:36
MN/simple charts also introduced the ability to add comparisons.
Colleen Moore
03:10:22
These are not mutually exclusive options. You could choose to have different styles for different users/audiences.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
03:11:31
Agree w Colleen - Our group liked infographic as a starting point with the ability for users to go deeper into tables/comparisons.
A: Heather Hough
03:14:28
I have a similar question here as Colleen raised earlier - these are not mutually exclusive
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
03:15:39
I agree with Heather.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
03:15:41
we want everything! :)
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
03:16:58
I am still confused by exactly what we are voting on.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
03:17:18
Heather -That logic sold me on #3
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
03:17:19
If we start with unitary data, these types of applications are all possible. If we don't have unitary data, most of this will not be.
Jimi Gilroy
03:17:52
Comment from Evan White from earlier: But the helpful thing about unitary data is that they can be used to create dashboards and helpful tables/queries.
A: Christopher Nellum
03:18:46
Who are target users for query tools again?
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
03:19:03
I get it, but the heaviest lift will be creating the unitary data. Are we confident that will emerge?
Jimi Gilroy
03:21:41
Speaking: Chris Nellum
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
04:10:49
Homelessness - that’s not currently on the data list.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
04:11:09
BTW, schools do have to track homelessness, although the definition is very broad.
A: Evan White (California Policy Lab)
04:12:59
Regarding Kathy’s point that this would only be for *linked* data. I agree. But I would also posit that, if done well, the entity managing the data request process for the linked data, might also become a place where individual agencies could outsource their data request process.
Colleen Moore
04:14:31
I'd add to Evan's point that some workgroup members expressed interest in that kind of outsourcing
Jimi Gilroy
04:17:26
Speaking: Su Jin Jez
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04:18:07
Speaking: Heather Hough
A: Andrea Venezia
04:19:30
I agree. It seems like the default should be access into the data — linked or not linked.
Jimi Gilroy
04:22:23
Speaking: Samantha Tran
Paige Kowalski, DQC
04:23:56
Sorry, Kathy, was just walking back in and heard my name. Let me know if you have a question.
Carolyn Nealon
04:23:58
This question seems to challenge the basis of "centralized" vs. "federated" data.
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04:29:06
Speaking: Heather Hough
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Speaking: Ben Chida, Governor’s Office
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04:31:50
Speaking: Rigel Spencer Massaro
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04:34:54
Speaking: Heather Hough
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Speaking: Ben Chida, Governor’s Office
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Speaking: Samantha Tran
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Speaking: Ben Chida, Governor’s Office
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04:43:48
Speaking: Paige Kowalski, Data Quality Campaign
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04:44:44
Speaking: Samantha Tran
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04:48:49
Speaking: Heather Hough
A: Samantha Tran
04:49:29
I put go slow. I'm thinking we should put out the vision but not necessarily launch with that.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
04:52:55
If not for individuals and practitioners, then whom? Institutions?
Carolyn Nealon
04:53:45
I don;t have a vote screen/check-box.
Colleen Moore
04:54:34
you can create some useful things for practitioners with a P20W data set (e.g., high school feedback reports/dashboards like you've shown in other states)
Colleen Moore
04:57:55
in case it's useful in the thinking, see EdInsights blog from January on this topic - http://edinsightscenter.org/Publications/Blog/January-2019
Jimi Gilroy
05:04:36
Speaking: Samantha Tran
A: Evan White (California Policy Lab)
05:05:21
These are all fantastic, but based on my knowledge of how data systems are built, I think anything requiring real-time data would be too big a lift to start (10x the investment, if not 20x). Especially in the newly budget-constrained environment, that seems like a bad place to start.
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
05:06:09
I would also add that there are significant local concerns by parents around data access in SVRDT. I know - because I live here! So politically tricky.
A: Christopher Nellum
05:06:42
Is there an advisory group dealing with tools for families and indvs? If so, where have they been on this issue?
Jimi Gilroy
05:07:00
Speaking: Heather Hough
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Speaking: Samantha Tran
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05:11:20
Speaking: Su Jin Jez
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05:11:41
Speaking: Tessa Carmen de Roy, CCGI
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05:12:51
Speaking: Jacob Jackson, PPIC
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05:13:20
Speaking: Carolyn Nealon
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05:13:41
Speaking: Tessa Carmen de Roy, CCGI
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05:14:35
CORRECTION: Tessa Carmen De Roy, CCGI
A: Evan White (California Policy Lab)
05:14:47
The way CCGI is talking about this, is this already going to happen regardless of what our working group decides?
Jimi Gilroy
05:14:50
Speaking: Chris Nellum
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05:15:13
Speaking: Paige Kowalski, DQC
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05:16:34
Speaking: Chris Nellum
Tessa Carmen De Roy
05:18:23
Evan -- this already exists -- CaliforniaColleges.edu is the state's existing college and career planning platform for 6th-12th grade students and already pushes data as I described. We are currently only serving 20% of 6th-12th grade students, so the question on the table is whether or not to move towards making it a more universal tool for students, parents, front line educators and the admissions/placement/guidance staff in higher ed.
A: Evan White (California Policy Lab)
05:20:18
Thanks, Tess.
A: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
05:21:09
This does not strike me as a priority.
Jimi Gilroy
05:25:48
Speaking: Jake Jackson, PPIC
A: Samantha Tran
05:26:21
I agree with Jacob
A: Angela Perry, TICAS
05:26:30
Re: scaling up CCGI, I think I would echo an earlier sentiment, that I think it would depend on the available resources. If resources were very scarce, it might make including this in phase one more difficult.
Jimi Gilroy
05:27:38
Speaking: Brian Guerrero
A: Heather Hough
05:29:27
Isn't information on student enrollment, etc. available via administrative data systems of each segment?
A: Evan White (California Policy Lab)
05:30:03
I agree with Emily
A: Jacob Jackson, PPIC
05:30:22
Thanks Emily great point.
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
05:30:31
K-12 is very fragmented. We can’t easily get data - especially data linked to specific students - once they leave our district.
Jimi Gilroy
05:30:36
You can email Kathy directly if you have any further questions or comments - kbooth@wested.org
Jimi Gilroy
05:32:11
Speaking: Emily Putnam-Hornstein
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05:32:50
Speaking: Samantha Tran
Jimi Gilroy
05:36:21
sorry - will you make me a no (or yes but would be lowest priority)
Jimi Gilroy
05:36:46
CORRECTION: Thank you for joining today. The recording of today’s Policy & Analytics Advisory Group will be available on our website.
A: Christopher Nellum
05:37:30
Great meeting. Thank you!
A: Christopher Nellum
05:37:52
Appreciate the thoughtful facilitation by Kathy & team.
A: Carlise King
05:37:52
Thank you!
A: Jacob Jackson, PPIC
05:38:11
Thanks everyone. Great meeting.
A: Angela Perry, TICAS
05:38:17
Thank you!
A: Brian Guerrero, CTA
05:38:18
thank you
A: Heather Hough
05:38:20
thanks!
A: Andrea Venezia
05:38:21
Thanks!