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May 12 Research Agenda Subcommittee Meeting - Shared screen with speaker view
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
46:32
Can you put the URL in the chat please?
Jimi Gilroy
49:00
Please feel free to access the meeting materials including the Participant Agenda with the breakout room topics - https://wested.box.com/s/evqv6ujqkbtg8gvr34ed8mgy7mvsa57d
Jimi Gilroy
50:34
Speaking: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
54:00
Grazie!
Jimi Gilroy
58:04
For members of the public, please let me know if you would like me added to the breakout rooms for either Group 1: Primary School or Group 2: Post-Transfer.
Jimi Gilroy
58:25
You can also access the meeting materials including the Participant Agenda with the breakout room topics - https://wested.box.com/s/evqv6ujqkbtg8gvr34ed8mgy7mvsa57d
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
01:02:25
Is there any documentation about how each segment currently provides researchers a secure data environment?
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
01:02:45
And the governance used to do so?
Jimi Gilroy
01:09:21
Speaking: Tongshan Chang, UCOP
Jimi Gilroy
01:19:26
For members of the public, please let me know if you would like me added to the breakout rooms for either Group 1: Primary School or Group 2: Post-Transfer at 10:20 am.
You can also access the meeting materials including the Participant Agenda with the breakout room topics - https://wested.box.com/s/evqv6ujqkbtg8gvr34ed8mgy7mvsa57d
Jimi Gilroy
01:20:20
Speaking: Ben Allen, ECE
A: Muhammad Akhtar
01:22:28
Employment outcome is well explained.
A: Alyssa Nguyen
01:22:33
It was really helpful as a starting place to see the different stakeholders / their interests and what types of information can be included in each use case
Jimi Gilroy
01:23:24
Speaking: Amy Fong, CSIS
A: Tongshan Chang
01:24:44
Yes
A: Muhammad Akhtar
01:24:52
sounds good.
Jimi Gilroy
01:25:44
Question from: Russell Rumberger, UC Santa Barbara
A: Jenn Schwartz
01:26:02
Sounds good.
Jimi Gilroy
01:26:20
Speaking: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
Jimi Gilroy
01:28:20
Speaking: Dan Rounds, Labor
A: Michal Kurlaender
01:28:27
agreed
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
01:28:59
Thanks @Daniel - great point!
Colleen Moore
01:30:11
Dan makes excellent points - completion within CCC/CSU/UC can be related to preK-12 experiences, so it's not just a "within a single segment" question to look at progress/completion within those segments
A: Ben Allen, California Department of Education
01:30:34
Agree with Colleeb
A: Ben Allen, California Department of Education
01:30:41
Colleen
A: Ben Allen, California Department of Education
01:32:04
Vertical segmental connections are very important
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
01:32:34
Yes, this seems critical!
A: Ben Allen, California Department of Education
01:33:05
Horizontal connections with data sources within segments are also important
A: Alyssa Nguyen
01:33:10
Wonder if it would be helpful to also identify in the research agenda - in which use case the levels of questions can be answered. For example - dashboard --- intersegmental questions , research request - intra and intersegmental connections/interactions?
A: Alyssa Nguyen
01:33:28
dashboard -- only answers questions related to the policy priority areas?
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
01:33:46
And this is exactly why I asked early about the research agenda and what we already have research on. Are we thinking about funding capacity for research that already is being done? It feels like throwing more money/energy that is not additive, but I'm not 100% sure.
Jimi Gilroy
02:10:47
Speaking: Jonathan Isler
A: John Hetts
02:17:24
Wouldn’t a possible effective strategy be for the segments to control the definitions and display of within segment data but for it to be displayed and part of the intersegmental data system?
Colleen Moore
02:18:07
if we're talking about dashboards, you might just have a link directly to the grad rates on the CDE/CCC/CSU/UC websites. The more important question/issue for this group seems more aimed at a research agenda, which is much broader than what is displayed on a dashboard - it's about the questions researchers can ask and where they can obtain data to address those questions.
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
02:18:50
Yes Colleen, yes!
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
02:19:04
Well, wrt the dashboards issue.
Jimi Gilroy
02:27:25
Speaking: Michal Kurlaender, UC Davis
Jimi Gilroy
02:29:32
Speaking: Alyssa Nguyen, RP Group
Jimi Gilroy
02:41:02
Speaking: Cameron Sublett, WestEd
A: Laura Coleman
02:42:23
post transfer outcomes
Jimi Gilroy
02:42:28
Please find the Background Paper here - https://wested.box.com/s/pgusd7unvxane4603kpxv6iua57py9ri
Jimi Gilroy
02:42:58
Please let me know in the chat if you have any public comment that you would like to make.
LeAnn Fong-Batkin
02:43:18
SLDS = Statewide longitudinal data system
A: Tongshan Chang
02:56:03
Public high school pathway to freshman enrollment at UC: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/uc-undergraduate-admissions-pipeline
Jimi Gilroy
03:01:14
Speaking: Tom Vu, AICCU
Jimi Gilroy
03:03:46
Speaking: Tom Vu, AICCU
Randy Bonnell
03:04:19
I would also note that the CDE has a federal reporting requirement to report college-going rates.
Colleen Moore
03:06:55
this one seems clearly to be an intersegmental issue - college-going rates can't be calculated with CDE's data alone (i.e., they don't "own" that piece of data), so I'm confused why this one would be a problem to display on a statewide data system dashboard
Jimi Gilroy
03:07:28
Speaking: Daniel Rounds, Labor
Jimi Gilroy
03:08:23
Speaking: Tom Vu, AICCU
A: Alyssa Nguyen
03:08:28
Highlights the importance of making sure we have concrete and consensus around what the operational definitions are for each data point displayed
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
03:40:38
What about other nearby schools?
Jimi Gilroy
03:41:39
Speaking: Jonathan Isler, CDE
Jimi Gilroy
03:42:13
Comment from Russell Rumberger, UC Santa Barbara
Jimi Gilroy
03:42:25
Speaking: Carolyn Nealon
Randy Bonnell
03:45:03
IF the P20 dashboard showed the HS graduation rate, it would have to be based on the data CDE calculates, given the strict rules federal rules for calculating graduation rates.
Jimi Gilroy
03:46:18
Speaking: John Hetts, CCCCO
Jimi Gilroy
03:48:43
Speaking: Jennifer Schwartz, CHHS
Jimi Gilroy
03:50:03
Question from: Russell Rumberger, UC Santa Barbara
Jimi Gilroy
03:50:39
We will have another breakout session at 12:50. Please feel free to access the meeting materials including the Participant Agenda with the breakout room topics - https://wested.box.com/s/evqv6ujqkbtg8gvr34ed8mgy7mvsa57d
Jimi Gilroy
03:51:33
Please let me know if you would like to be assigned to one of the following groups in the chat; Group 1: Dashboards, Group 2: Query Builder, and Group 3: Priority Areas for Research Studies
Jimi Gilroy
03:52:09
Speaking: Carolyn Nealon
A: Alyssa Nguyen
03:53:13
seems like students and teachers/counselors would want to ensure effective alignment of curriculum and requirements as a measure of college readiness
Jimi Gilroy
03:53:20
My apologies. The subcommittee have already been assigned to breakout rooms. Members of the public can chat with me to get assigned to those topics.
Jimi Gilroy
03:53:31
Speaking: Tongshan Chang, UCOP
A: Russell Rumberger
03:58:33
please send link to Google Doc
MAkhtar
04:39:41
Jimi,
Jimi Gilroy
04:43:43
Speaking: Tine Sloan, CTC
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
04:44:25
Question for the record that touches an issue just mentioned: Is the utility of the SLDS for instructional purposes (in K-12 and otherwise) a meaningful issue for this group and the workgroup to address?
A: Jenn Schwartz
04:44:47
Great job, Tine!
Carolyn Nealon
04:47:36
I think using a unit measure for coursework by term (quarter or semester) rather than the categories of "full" or "part-time" would be helpful. UC doesn't generally recognize part-time status, and students attending "full-time" with 12 units per term will take longer to graduate than student with 15 units.
Jimi Gilroy
04:47:40
Speaking: Valerie Lundy-Wagner, CCCCO
Jimi Gilroy
04:53:09
Speaking: Tine Sloan, CTC
Jimi Gilroy
04:54:15
Speaking: Alyssa Nguyen, RP Group
Jimi Gilroy
04:58:30
Speaking: Dan Rounds, Labor
A: Amy Fong
05:01:07
curated datasets
Jimi Gilroy
05:02:14
Speaking: John Hetts, CCCCO
Jimi Gilroy
05:03:11
Speaking: Tongshan Chang, UCOP
Jimi Gilroy
05:08:32
Speaking: Jonathan Isler, CDE
Jimi Gilroy
05:09:47
Question from: Russell Rumberger, UC Santa Barbara
Jimi Gilroy
05:11:08
Question from: Ben Allen, CDE
Randy Bonnell
05:12:32
To the extent that one of the outcomes of this work is the collection of transcript data, not just for college applicants, but for HS students, this may be a better source of data for calculating GPA.
Jimi Gilroy
05:15:05
Speaking: Russell Rumberger, UC Santa Barbara
Jimi Gilroy
05:19:21
Speaking: Michal Kurlaender, UC Davis
Jimi Gilroy
05:20:00
Correction: Valerie Lundy-Wagner, CCCCO
Jimi Gilroy
05:21:00
Speaking: Michal Kurlaender, UC Davis
Carolyn Nealon
05:21:40
Do we have any data related to student success and whether the students attend college close to home vs. those that move away?
A: Amy Fong
05:21:52
@Randy Bonnell I think the GPA question is going to be an interesting one post-COVID. As I understand it, there is local discussion contemplating allowing students to select which courses they want graded vs pass/fail. That would affect graduation rates. I'm thinking also about UC/ELC.
Jimi Gilroy
05:21:57
Speaking: Dan Rounds, Labor
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
05:23:07
I would consider adding in K-12/CC District and region in many of these analyses, especially on racial equity outcomes.
A: Alyssa Nguyen
05:23:24
is there another term for "eligibility" since the admissions officers/evaluators determine eligibility so its sticky --- perhaps consider "completed college requirements/criteria"?
Carolyn Nealon
05:24:18
Randy - Districts are also providing guidance that grades cannot go down after the stay-at-home became operative for their district, and some have also changed the grading scale (e.g. 80-100: A)
A: Valerie Lundy-Wagner
05:24:47
Love that question Carolyn, especially since it gets to differential access/resources in K-12 education and that obviously affects trajectories related to college and work.
Jimi Gilroy
05:26:22
Speaking: Carolyn Nealon
Katie Brohawn
05:27:21
I think it can get stick with that research as the reasons for staying near home may be the opposite (need to support family, etc)
Katie Brohawn
05:27:26
*sticky
Randy Bonnell
05:28:15
@Amy Fong and at Carolyn Nealon: I understand. I think this would likely result in an increase in HS graduation rates. It's a good research question :)
Jimi Gilroy
05:30:04
Speaking: Valerie Lundy-Wagner, CCCCO
Cameron Sublett
05:31:22
a prior national report on "education deserts", just for some weekend reading https://www.acenet.edu/Documents/Education-Deserts-The-Continued-Significance-of-Place-in-the-Twenty-First-Century.pdf
Jimi Gilroy
05:31:52
Speaking: Carolyn Nealon
A: Alyssa Nguyen
05:32:32
Some of those reasons are affected by issues like impaction of programs/universities and so where they go maybe due to a myriad of reasons